#Beatrice horseman

[lesbianrecorderplayer]

Noticing a trend recently in the women I'm enjoying.

[galileosbeast]

The View From Halfway Down

[kitkatdoodlez]

Is that the horse from horsin’ around???

[dittomoon]

So, I drew this back in October 2021 but only shared it on the BoJack Horseman Reddit - I liked the idea of lining up the diamonds in Bojacks family tree, ending up with Hollyhock breaking away from their family trauma. I only realised after the sketch that Honey doesn’t have a diamond but I still wanted her to be at the top.

[teddybeach]

You're Bojack Horseman; there's no cure for that.

[reylokisses]

I read online that Vivienne Medrano cited Beatrice Horseman from Bojack Horseman as inspiration for Stella Goetia in Helluva Boss.

That makes sense, as Beatrice Horseman was a victim (of her father/mother/Butterscotch/society in general) and an abuser (of Bojack/Henrietta/Hollyhock), while Stella is a victim of forced marriage, forced pregnancy and a victim of her revolting brother, Andrealphus:

While also being Stolas’ abuser (and indirectly abusing Octavia by abusing Stolas in front of her)*

Speaking of Beatrice Horseman being an abuser, I was completely baffled when I read someone applaud Beatrice for being by Henrietta’s side while Henrietta was in labour with Hollyhock, and calling it an example of women supporting women.

Are you kidding me?!!!

The only reason why Beatrice was with Henrietta while she gave birth, was so that Beatrice could remove Hollyhock from Henrietta the second she was born!

The show even frames Beatrice’s actions as despicable- the scene switches from the traumatic memory of Joseph Sugarman, Beatrice’s father, burning little-girl-Beatrice’s beloved baby doll while she screams and begs him to stop, to adult Beatrice taking the newborn Hollyhock away to be given up for adoption, and refusing to let Henrietta hold her own baby.

Beatrice has just done one of the most evil things a person can do to another, and some people think she was justified?!

Even if viewers somehow think Beatrice was doing the right thing here, the show clearly doesn’t want us to think so. Henrietta’s face is scratched out, meaning that Beatrice is so ashamed of what she did to Henrietta, that she can’t bear to think about her.

The writers also make it clear that Beatrice was motivated by selfish reasons:

Beatrice wants to live vicariously through Henrietta and make her do what Beatrice wishes she herself had done - if Beatrice had had an abortion, or placed Bojack for adoption, then Beatrice would never have married Butterscotch and be stuck in a life that she hated.

However, one of the themes of Bojack Horseman is that “you’re responsible for your own happiness”. Beatrice and Butterscotch could have gotten a divorce and been free of one another- Beatrice came from a wealthy family, so she wasn’t trapped financially with Butterscotch. Blaming Bojack for their misery was cruel and unjust.

Butterscotch was being irresponsible and selfish with Henrietta- he could have paid child support for Hollyhock and then Henrietta could have afforded childcare while she finished her studies and qualified as a nurse. Henrietta didn’t have to sacrifice her dreams for her baby. Beatrice and Butterscotch had the 1950s misogynistic mindset that a woman who slept with a married man was a fallen person who wasn’t fit to raise a baby, and so Henrietta “had to” give up her firstborn.

It’s a pity that the viewers couldn’t see Hollyhock and Henrietta’s reunion, since Bojack is the main character and we could only see plot points that involved him. I’m glad that mother and daughter finally found each other again - Beatrice stealing Hollyhock from Henrietta remains the most harrowing scene in the whole show for me.

*Stella is shown screaming at Stolas in front of Octavia in Loo Loo Land, so I don’t agree that Octavia was somehow completely oblivious to how much of an abuser Stella was and how miserable her parents were in the marriage.

In the same episode, Octavia has a line about when she was a kid and “[her] parents didn’t hate each other”, so Stella must have toned down her cruelty at the beginning. I just hope the writers don’t retcon that and victim-blame Octavia for not knowing how much abuse Stolas endured.

I don’t want to end this post on a sad note, so here’s one of my favourite scenes in Loo Loo Land 🥰

[ambafaerie]

Beatrice and Butterscotch narrowing their eyes at Bojack when he doesn’t respond to them after they spent the preceding conversation talking down on him. Awful parents, chilling parallels.

[franki-lew-yo]

Fanart Friday - ICU

More of the lovely Sugarman/Horsemans.

My personal take away from everything seen of Beatrice throughout the show is she did in fact 'love' her son, but only in as much as she could give him...which obviously was not ever enough or even love worth having.

"Promise not to love anyone as much as I loved Crackerjack..."

"Don't cry! Don't you ever cry!"

"Look at you!" - first words said to him.

[dongslinger--420]

Hnnn thinking about Bea's death scene again. The way her last line is "and now, the easy part". It was one of the hardest hitting lines of any line in that episode. The easiest thing she ever had to do was die. All the thinking she did throughout her life, all her trauma she had to sit on and not confide in ANYONE over, all those years she spent trapped: first with her father, then with her husband, and finally, in her own head. The easiest part of her life was to take the option of escaping when she could. The easiest part of her life, was to die.

[peachybugsworld]

I saw this on twitter and oh my god 😭 genuinely because they don’t age them I’ve never thought of them aging

u/funshineyy on twitter

[wouldlesbianismsaveher]

Beatrice Horseman from Bojack Horseman

[jiaorenscove]

[poikuipy]

horses are too hard to draw

[kitkatdoodlez]

Women of Tragedy

[thediamondarcher]

The difference between knowing how to write a bad parent having dementia without absolutely losing the point of how having an abuser as a parent can affect you and how you don't need to forgive them. (BECAUSE NOTHING SHOULD GIVE THE MESSAGE SHAMELESS GAVE)

In Beatrice's last scene we see BoJack empathizing with her but not forgiving her, because he doesn't have to.

He was genuinely feeling bad about her because he realized she's not the same person who abused him anymore.

We got to see Beatrice as a child, the abuse, the bullying, the being silent and mistreated, everything in just a couple of episodes. While in shameless we got 11 seasons to see Franks backstory and they barely showed that, the show ended with a scene trying to make us feel bad about an abuser without even explaining anything, we're just supposed to feel sorry for him because he has dementia? I'm not even saying that showing his past would've helped with the show giving a good message because someone's past doesn't justify their actions but they didn't even make an effort to try to write it in a good and not hurtful way.

I really think shameless is giving an awful point with Frank's character. They're basically telling you to forgive your abuser just because they're "also broken" which is completely ridiculous and can really affect other people's mental health and journey. While BJHM is showing not to forgive, just understand.

I know they're just shows but writers should be more aware of how showing these types of characters can affect real people who went through real abuse.

I don't hate Shameless but i do think the writers of that show should've thought things twice before giving this awful message (also being a famous show and a lot of people's comfort show this is even more dangerous)

you don't have to forgive your abuser!!

[thatsillydoor]

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